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Rooting through the Bins - and Scratching Forty-Year-Old Itches
When I was at primary school, I suppose in about 1970, we used to sing a song about school dinners. It went like this:
Say what you will,
School dinners make you ill,
And Davy Crockett died of shepherd's pie.
Our school din-dins come from pig bins
Out of town.
I used to walk home for dinner in those days (this was long before I became gentrified and started calling it lunch), so my interest in the subject was merely theoretical, but I sang along with the rest in a spirit of camaraderie.
It's interesting, if only to me, to piece together the various bits of this song. Its tune was the opening theme from the TV show Out of Town, presented by Jack Hargreaves. The theme's lyrics were:
Say what you will,
The countryside is still
The only place where I could settle down
Troubles there are so much rarer
Out of town.
Clearly the school rhyme is a parody of this, so we might expect that the school dinner song postdates 1963, when Out of Town was first broadcast. But there are features that irksomely suggest an earlier date. Davy Crockett is a quintessentially mid-'50s icon, is he not - thanks to the US film and TV series? In 1970 I had a vague idea who he was, but he was by no means a name to conjure with in my childhood. I knew the phrase "king of the wild frontier", for example, but had no notion what it referred to. (In fact I still don't. Is it the western frontier, or the frontier with Mexico?)
Pig bins were more mysterious still. They were obviously meant to be unpleasant, but what were they? This bothered me vaguely even in 1970, I now recall, but it took me more than forty years to find out. In fact, this post was prompted by my accidentally learning about pig bins just the other day, from a TV programme on the history of waste management. According to the programme, pig bins were a wartime feature - metal bins put on the street for the collection of scraps to be fed to pigs, in a thrifty effort at recycling. You can see a picture here.
At this point the song looks like a chimera. It references WWII pig bins, but also a 1960s TV programme, along with a figure whose cultural zenith was about 1955. What generation of children could possibly have invented it? Did it evolve over time in some way? Having read the Opies, one might find that plausible.
But the mystery dilutes when you learn that the Out of Town theme was actually written for the film Charley Moon (1956), where it was sung by Max Bygraves. So the parody may be earlier. Not only that, but if you look at the first comment on the article about pig bins linked above, you will read that they survived the war and lasted into the 1960s (though not in my town, obviously). Given all that, my best guess is that the song I sang was probably composed circa 1956, riding the wave of Crockett enthusiasm and taking advantage of Max Bygrave's song in Charley Moon, while alluding to the noisome pig bins still dotting the streets of Albion.
I wish now that I could go back to my 1970 self and share the news.
Say what you will,
School dinners make you ill,
And Davy Crockett died of shepherd's pie.
Our school din-dins come from pig bins
Out of town.
I used to walk home for dinner in those days (this was long before I became gentrified and started calling it lunch), so my interest in the subject was merely theoretical, but I sang along with the rest in a spirit of camaraderie.
It's interesting, if only to me, to piece together the various bits of this song. Its tune was the opening theme from the TV show Out of Town, presented by Jack Hargreaves. The theme's lyrics were:
Say what you will,
The countryside is still
The only place where I could settle down
Troubles there are so much rarer
Out of town.
Clearly the school rhyme is a parody of this, so we might expect that the school dinner song postdates 1963, when Out of Town was first broadcast. But there are features that irksomely suggest an earlier date. Davy Crockett is a quintessentially mid-'50s icon, is he not - thanks to the US film and TV series? In 1970 I had a vague idea who he was, but he was by no means a name to conjure with in my childhood. I knew the phrase "king of the wild frontier", for example, but had no notion what it referred to. (In fact I still don't. Is it the western frontier, or the frontier with Mexico?)
Pig bins were more mysterious still. They were obviously meant to be unpleasant, but what were they? This bothered me vaguely even in 1970, I now recall, but it took me more than forty years to find out. In fact, this post was prompted by my accidentally learning about pig bins just the other day, from a TV programme on the history of waste management. According to the programme, pig bins were a wartime feature - metal bins put on the street for the collection of scraps to be fed to pigs, in a thrifty effort at recycling. You can see a picture here.
At this point the song looks like a chimera. It references WWII pig bins, but also a 1960s TV programme, along with a figure whose cultural zenith was about 1955. What generation of children could possibly have invented it? Did it evolve over time in some way? Having read the Opies, one might find that plausible.
But the mystery dilutes when you learn that the Out of Town theme was actually written for the film Charley Moon (1956), where it was sung by Max Bygraves. So the parody may be earlier. Not only that, but if you look at the first comment on the article about pig bins linked above, you will read that they survived the war and lasted into the 1960s (though not in my town, obviously). Given all that, my best guess is that the song I sang was probably composed circa 1956, riding the wave of Crockett enthusiasm and taking advantage of Max Bygrave's song in Charley Moon, while alluding to the noisome pig bins still dotting the streets of Albion.
I wish now that I could go back to my 1970 self and share the news.
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Kids' TV had a lot of repeats - not just The Singing Ringing Tree, which never seemed to be off-air, so it's possible Crockett lasted longer than you think. I can remember him, and I'm not that much older than you.
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Your mention of that wretched tree brought back the Tales from Europe series of which it was part. The phrase "narrated by Gabriel Wolf" evokes a special brand of tea-time tedium even now.
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I also remember the Max Bygraves song. It had a long shelf life- and got regular plays on radio shows like Children's Favourites.
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I wasn't much of a listener to Children's Favourites, although my brother did get a request played on it once, I think, so I suppose it must have been on - and in fact that must be where I first got earwormed with "One Wheel on my Wagon".
There were far too many cowboys in my childhood, and I found them all pretty dull, apart perhaps from Leone's.
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Ailz- who grew up in Manchester- remembers Out of Town, but I don't. Perhaps it's a generational thing.
I adored cowboy shows. Rawhide- with the young Clint Eastwood- was the classiest.
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How bizarre! Was there also a Worshipful Company of Graffiti Artists?
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In the US the former is generally the case, although we do have the concept of the "nouveau riche", but I do read in British biographies distinctions like "he wasn't poor, but impoverished middle class", which suggests a distinction that doesn't exist over here, where poor is poor regardless of your history.
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I thought that's what was meant by a class system. We don't have that in the US, we just don't. We so utterly lack it that we have a tendency to think of socio-economic strata, which are a different thing, as what a class system means. I once made a futile attempt to explain this. (http://calimac.livejournal.com/469742.html)
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Why is "Beryl Jarvis" funny? It's certainly not a specific reference. Besides any phonic qualities (the repeated troche?), I think we have to put it down to class once again: it's the sort of unglamorous name that Wisty might think of for his heroine. "Beryl" is a working-class name, but while not outlandish it had become much less popular in the previous couple of decades, so that it was unlikely in a drab sort of way, which is perfect for Wisty.
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I read the Opies' book as a teenager in the mid-sixties. Many of the rhymes they record were ones I'd learned from other primary school children in the second half of the fifties-early sixties. I don't remember that one, though.
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Thank you! That is gratifying - although a better researcher would probably have thought to check the Opies first, as you did! (In self-defence, I've no idea where my copy is at the moment.)
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It's a familiar feeling... I was glad to find my copy in only the second place I looked for it.
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In which Tolkien is quoted, IIRC.
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"Professor JRR Tolkien tells us that both the term 'fains I", I decline (p140), and the truce term 'fains' or 'fainites'", are survivals of modern English, the basic expression being 'fain I'. 'This descends from fourteenth century feine, faine "feign", in a sense, derived from Old French se feindre, "make excuses, hang back, back out (esp of battle".' He notes that the word fen, 'ban, bar' (p 140) is probably derived from fend, shortened form of defend, since defend was used in the French sense 'forbid' from about AD 1300 to the time of Milton. 'The formula fain I', he adds, 'seems to throw light on a line in Chaucer which no editor so far has thought worth of a note, though its transitive use of feyne has no exact parallel. In the Clerk's Tale, 529, a servant says "that lordes heestes mowe nat been yfeyned", and eems to mean that "lords' orders cannot be treated with a 'fain I' (I decline), but must be obeyed".'
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Possibly not coincidentally, I remember Alan Garner talking about the use of the playground truce term "barlay" in Gawain and the Green Knight, which JRRT also edited, of course. (I think that one is derived from "parley", but I may be wrong.) Middle English poetry is clearly a good place to look for this stuff.
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The truce term in Middlesex, where I grew up, in the fifties and early sixties was 'fainites' (as the Opies' map correctly indicates). I went to state schools. But my mother, who went to a small girls' private school in the same county in the thirties, only knew 'pax', which again, fits with what the Opies say under 'pax'.
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I've heard of "crying Uncle". Do you know where that term comes from?
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Daniel Cassidy, in How the Irish Invented Slang (see Counterpunch Books), also derives it from 'anacal', which he glosses as 'mercy, quarter; fig. surrender'.
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http://lingwe.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/reconstructed-lexis-in-tolkiens-middle.html
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These are the graves of three poor sinners
who died from eating our school dinners.
Our school dinners laid them aside
many have eaten them - many have died.
Look at the gravy, slimy and still,
if that doesn't get you, the custard will!
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Perhaps Crockettomania simply passed me by. Although I have a picture of myself standing grumpily beside a tepee (but then all pictures of my early self look either grumpy or bewildered, much as they do today), I was never much of a one for cowboys (no nor indians neither). That may have led me to underestimate DC's presence.
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We did play cowboys and indians and made tents/wigwams in the garden using clothes horses.