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steepholm ([personal profile] steepholm) wrote2014-05-14 07:31 am

Imposing one's Ethos vs. the Wonderful Neutrality of (the Queen's) English

The Today programme just did a package on the Birmingham schools that are under investigation at the moment as part of the "Trojan horse" enquiry. In an interview, a fourteen-year-old pupil said that it wasn't surprising that the school had an Islamic ethos since it was about 99% Muslim, at which the reporter rebuked her, pointing out that as it wasn't a faith school but an ordinary state school it shouldn't have any kind of religious ethos.

Five minutes later, the programme reported on a plan to do away with the sexist terms "Sir" and "Miss" in schools, citing a professor from Sheffield Hallam as suggesting that pupils should use "Christian names" instead. Sigh. I very much doubt that the professor actually used that phrase: this report refers only to first names - so probably this was the BBC showing its "Christian ethos".

Incidentally, last week I was helping out with a school play for a project I'm involved in, and was universally addressed as "Miss" by the 8-year-old pupils there. It felt... weird. (Fwiw, the project is about the experiences of the Somali community in Bristol, and a lot of the children were Muslim.)
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[personal profile] spiritanderson 2014-05-14 11:58 am (UTC)(link)
I think there's enough discipline issues in schools nowadays without getting rid of another level of.. not necessarily respect but definitely perceived authority. A teacher is 'miss' or 'sir' or 'mrs smith' or 'mr jones' because they're not your friend, not your buddy, they are an elder, who is there to be paid attention to...

Which i know wasn't the point of your post and i apologise for soapboxing there but apparently that's what came out of me when reading.
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[personal profile] jadelennox 2014-05-14 12:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Easy enough to replace them with "sir" and "ma'am", so they become equivalent terms of respect. It's irritating that we don't have ungendered generic respect titles.