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steepholm ([personal profile] steepholm) wrote2014-03-24 10:17 am

Very Well Then, I Repeat Myself

I've occasionally written about misquotations before, but now I've created a tag for the purpose. The internet is such a virulent misquotation vector that I think it may come in handy.

Here are a couple of children's literature-related ones, for my records and possibly your interest. The first I noticed a couple of years ago, the second just today.


  1. Kenneth Grahame claimed in a letter to Teddy Roosevelt that The Wind in the Willows was a sex-free zone. Of course, he didn't use that phrase, but wrote that it was "clean of the clash of sex" - an interesting phrase, I think, but one that is now frequently quoted as "clear of the clash of sex". As far as I've been able to discover, this error goes back to Lois Kuznet's book Kenneth Grahame (1987). That at least is the earliest example I've been able to find. So, it's a pre-internet mistake, but one that now crops up there and everywhere else. (Having said that, I've not seen Grahame's original letter - perhaps Kuznets has - and the difference between 'n' and 'r' can be debatable in some hands. It's just possible I'm maligning her here.)


  2. Now we have C. S. Lewis's dictum from "On Three Ways of Writing for Children" (1952): “I am almost inclined to set it up as a canon that a children's story which is enjoyed only by children is a bad children's story.” Today I saw this rendered in a student essay as “A children's story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children's story in the slightest” - which is just horrible. (I don't agree with Lewis as it happens, but still, what a mangling is here!) Google reveals that this version is now rife - it's quoted in 146 sites, and probably by now in books as well.



I don't know what more I can say, but consider this as a warning buoy anchored by a reef, to warn sailors from sweet song of Lorelei Hardy, siren of lazy quotation.

[identity profile] poliphilo.livejournal.com 2014-03-24 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Now I do agree with Lewis on that, but I'd be interested to see you expand your disagreement into a post.

Surely good is good is good.

[identity profile] katherine langrish (from livejournal.com) 2014-03-24 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure you're right. Lewis was not a careful man in an argument. I think he enjoyed the general cut and thrust of too much for that, and he's often emphatic about points which a live opponent would take down in seconds.

I like his carelessness, mind you. It's what makes him so readable, so charming, and so infuriating.

[identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com 2014-03-24 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
What the second example means is that your student pulled the quote from the web without checking the original. Did the student provide a citation? If it was to the original, that's truly bad scholarly form.

What annoys me is quotations which, when I check the citation footnote, are said to be quoted from some other secondary source, without further info. Yes, but where did it come from originally? The manuals I use say that when you quote a quotation, which you do because you have no access to the original, you cite it as coming from the original source and then add "as quoted in" or words to that effect, followed by your source.