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Black Hearts in Bunkyou; or, Racism vs. Cognitive Dissonance
This comedy sketch came out a while ago, and has proved quite popular with people learning Japanese, especially Westerners who've travelled to Japan and found it hard to get Japanese people to speak Japanese to them, even when they were fairly fluent. (I wasn't at all fluent, but even I remember the rabbit-in-headlights panic of some people when I'd ask in Japanese how much an item in a shop cost, for instance.)
Well, it's an amusing sketch, but its structure is familiar enough. It’s basically the same joke as the classic "Miss Triggs" Punch cartoon. In both cases, the joke is funny (in a rather painful way) if you recognise the situation, and not if you don’t. Miss Triggs would be baffling to someone who was oblivious to workplace sexism, I suppose.
Recently a Japanese Youtuber did a vox pop in which he asked Japanese people to react to the sketch. The result was fascinating. (If you don't have time to watch the whole thing, skip straight to 4:15.)
Yuta the Youtuber was surprised (and so was I) that so many of the Japanese people watching didn't get what the sketch was about. Of course, that just underlines the point of the sketch.
But what was the point of the sketch? Was it about Japanese racism? Those are the terms in which many commenters view it, and it's easy to see why. The waitress is treating people differently according to her race-based assumptions about them, after all. If the Miss Triggs cartoon is about sexism (and it is) then by this must be about racism, right?
But one difference is that the men in the Miss Triggs example have seen women all their lives. They have had ample opportunity to notice that women are capable of intelligent suggestions - Miss Triggs’s is just the most recent of many they must have encountered. In Japan, by contrast, Western-looking people who speak fluent Japanese are pretty rare. (In many parts of the country Western-looking people are rare altogether.) Not expecting Westerners to speak Japanese reflects their lived experience.
Even so, the people in the restaurant give ample proofs that in this particular group the Japanese-looking woman cannot speak Japanese, and the Western-looking people can. Despite this, the waitress persists in her error. Isn't that racist? Or is it more like the kind of playing card experiment Bruner and Postman famously conducted in the perception of incongruity, and which you can enjoy here courtesy of Interstate 60?
“If you do the test again, you’ll pass,” says Dr Ray. Perhaps that’s the real test?
Well, I end this post rather stutteringly because I haven't really come to a settled conclusion about all this, but I'd be very interested in your views on the relationship of racism, Bruner and Postman, assumptions based on past experience, etc.
Well, it's an amusing sketch, but its structure is familiar enough. It’s basically the same joke as the classic "Miss Triggs" Punch cartoon. In both cases, the joke is funny (in a rather painful way) if you recognise the situation, and not if you don’t. Miss Triggs would be baffling to someone who was oblivious to workplace sexism, I suppose.
Recently a Japanese Youtuber did a vox pop in which he asked Japanese people to react to the sketch. The result was fascinating. (If you don't have time to watch the whole thing, skip straight to 4:15.)
Yuta the Youtuber was surprised (and so was I) that so many of the Japanese people watching didn't get what the sketch was about. Of course, that just underlines the point of the sketch.
But what was the point of the sketch? Was it about Japanese racism? Those are the terms in which many commenters view it, and it's easy to see why. The waitress is treating people differently according to her race-based assumptions about them, after all. If the Miss Triggs cartoon is about sexism (and it is) then by this must be about racism, right?
But one difference is that the men in the Miss Triggs example have seen women all their lives. They have had ample opportunity to notice that women are capable of intelligent suggestions - Miss Triggs’s is just the most recent of many they must have encountered. In Japan, by contrast, Western-looking people who speak fluent Japanese are pretty rare. (In many parts of the country Western-looking people are rare altogether.) Not expecting Westerners to speak Japanese reflects their lived experience.
Even so, the people in the restaurant give ample proofs that in this particular group the Japanese-looking woman cannot speak Japanese, and the Western-looking people can. Despite this, the waitress persists in her error. Isn't that racist? Or is it more like the kind of playing card experiment Bruner and Postman famously conducted in the perception of incongruity, and which you can enjoy here courtesy of Interstate 60?
“If you do the test again, you’ll pass,” says Dr Ray. Perhaps that’s the real test?
Well, I end this post rather stutteringly because I haven't really come to a settled conclusion about all this, but I'd be very interested in your views on the relationship of racism, Bruner and Postman, assumptions based on past experience, etc.
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As you say, most white people in Japan will not be fluent Japanese speakers, so the waitress's initial assumption was in fact perfectly reasonable. However, research I heard once on Radio 4 suggests that what people sound like is actually more important in identifying people as "us" than what they look like, so it's actually her persistence in addressing the Japanese looking woman whilst ignoring the fluent speakers who are white/black that makes the sketch funny because it's so ridiculous.
Having said that, expectation does play a part in comprehension, which is one reason why I find it so difficult to practice speaking Welsh. Too many of my native Welsh speaking acquaintances have me filed as "I speak English to this person" and trying to change that really throws them.
By coincidence, I can offer an example that made me do a mental double take while watching a Welsh quiz show a couple of days ago. Here's the link if you want to see a very Chinese-looking young man called Iolo speaking perfectly fluent and native-sounding Welsh. (Scroll forwards to 15:55 if you do follow the link.)
Celwydd Noeth (Naked lies)
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I agree that's how the sketch is designed to work, and one might think obviously so - but that's why I was surprised by some of the vox pop reactions, especially the young woman at 4.15 who could only suggest that the waitress might have used gestures to make herself understood.