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steepholm ([personal profile] steepholm) wrote2019-01-26 10:49 pm
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The Hovis Delusion

Those of us of a certain age will remember Ridley Scott's famous Hovis ad, which shows a flat-capped baker's boy pushing his bicycle up a steep hill to the accompaniment of a brass band playing the New World symphony, while the voice of the (now grown) boy reminisces fondly about the old days. But where is the ad set?

I've always mentally put it up north somewhere, and I'm not alone. In this article, written in 2006 to mark the ad's being chosen "the nation's favourite", the writer places it in "a northern town". And this evening, one of the pundits on Radio 4's Powers of Persuasion twice mentioned the north in general, as well as Yorkshire in particular.

I'd read somewhere that the ad was actually filmed in Shaftesbury, Dorset, but I never wavered from my belief that the fictional setting was the north. [EDIT: As Kalimac points out below, even the website for the hill in Shaftesbury where it was made mentions that the setting is "a northern industrial town".] After all, there's that brass band, and the voiceover is in a Yorkshire accent.

Except - it isn't. It's a West Country accent - quite possibly a Shaftesbury one. Listen for yourself:



I was only ten when the advert aired, and until they played it on the radio for the documentary this evening, I hadn't seen or heard it for years. Somehow, in the interim I grafted a northern accent onto my memory of it. That's a little odd, but what's more extraordinary is that the entire nation seems to have done the same thing. Even tonight, experts on the advert were talking about its northern setting, despite just having heard it.

Why? Is it the flat cap? (But people wore those in the south, too!) The brass band? That must have a lot to do with it.

Perhaps too there's a sense that a certain style of working-class nostalgia belongs properly to the north of England - or even that there is no southern working class at all?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
Whatever accent it is, a couple of the lines (including the first one), I cannot make out what he is saying.
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
We probably would, but what we would never do is leave out "my" or "the" before the noun. I'm familiar with that British usage, though, so it wasn't the wording which threw me, just that the pronunciation was hard to follow.

The line after "'Twas a grand ride back, though" I also miss, and the one after that is "Doorsteps ... always ready," but I can't tell what's in between. This is after listening to it enough times that it only makes the incomprehension worse.
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I know a fair number of specifically British terms, but that one I had never come across.
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[personal profile] lilliburlero 2019-01-27 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
Being too young to have seen the original advert, I don't have much to add, except that I came to know it only through parodies and was utterly baffled, when I first heard the real thing, to discover that it was not a Yorkshire accent. I wonder where the Two Ronnies parody comes in the history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJi_5T0jSnA (the little - surely impromptu - reassuring pat of the loaf of bread is a reminder of how ineffably good a comedian Ronnie Barker was though).
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
If it helps, the link on the parody dates it 1978, with the original ad being 1973.

Note the controversy in the parody's comments section about the setting of the original ad. One commenter knows that it was filmed in Dorset but says it's set in Yorkshire. Reply says: no it isn't. First commenter rebuts by stating it has a Yorkshire-accent voiceover. Reply says: no it doesn't.

So here's another case of someone so sure it's Yorkshire that they misremember the accent.
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[personal profile] lilliburlero 2019-01-27 10:19 am (UTC)(link)
All I really meant was did the Two Ronnies create the misconception that it was a northern setting, or were they themselves reproducing it from an earlier parody?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
Wow. Even the tourist website for the filming location says that "the advert depicts a northern industrial town."
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[personal profile] shewhomust 2019-01-27 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
Is it just the contrast that makes the final voice over sound so very genteel? Was that really still a 'neutral' accent in 1973?

Also, does the fact that Ridley Scott was a northerner have anything to do with it? Or do you have to be already partisan for the north to think of him that way?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
If Hovis is a northern brand, and not something you'd ordinarily get in Dorset or other West Country parts, then yes, that would explain it. (I'd never heard of Hovis till reading this very post.) The Wikipedia article for Hovis suggests that this advert is what made it nationally famous, so perhaps the delusion was not the result of a pre-existing association, though.

That my tourist impression is to associate both brass band arrangements of mournful classical music and really steep cobblestone streets with Yorkshire is probably not very significant. I've seen hilly town streets in southern England, but not as steep or as frequently as in Yorkshire, and the fact that this street has its own tourist website does suggest it's a bit unusual.

As for Ridley Scott, is he likely to have been well-known as a director before Alien (1979)?
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[personal profile] calimac 2019-01-27 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Now that raises another interesting point, which is, is Cheshire northern? The people I knew in Cheshire (from the City of Chester) definitely considered themselves midlanders rather than northerners. But they were also Tories, which may have had something to do with it.
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[personal profile] lilliburlero 2019-01-27 10:30 am (UTC)(link)
I wonder if the elision of definite articles 'last stop on round, have kettle on' etc. - a feature of more than one English dialect, but most famously Yorkshire - contributes to the Delusion too?
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2019-01-27 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, we have flat caps and brass bands in the Midlands too and while we're on the topic, 'ey oop' belongs to the Midlands, not the north, 'ey oop jockey' being a local greeting to blokes and 'ey oop dook' to women. :)
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[personal profile] lamentables 2019-01-27 04:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Would've sworn it were a Yorkshire accent.
I'm old enough to to have seen it in 1973. Except, we were not allowed to watch ITV, so I don't know where my memory comes from. We were also not allowed to watch the Two Ronnies, so it's unlikely to be that I'm remembering. Anyway, it was quite a shock to watch it now and have my folk memory contradicted.
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[personal profile] lamentables 2019-01-27 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Aha, this is what's in my head, not the original ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmSA0W3mkn4
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[personal profile] joyeuce 2019-01-29 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
I think I always thought of it as Lincoln, because of the hill - even though I know (and knew) that Steep Hill in Lincoln doesn't look like that.