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steepholm ([personal profile] steepholm) wrote2022-10-27 09:17 am
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Taking Stock

I find the kanji 株 (pron. 'kabu', though sometimes 'shu', 'kuize' or 'kabuta') very interesting. It has numerous meanings, including 'share' (as in company shares), 'strain' (as in a strain of bacteria), and 'stump' (as in tree stump).

What's interesting about it is that, in English, the word 'stock' has the same set of apparently disparate meanings. You can buy stocks in a company, heredity is often referred to in the same terms (plant stocks, etc.), and 'stock' is a word, albeit obselescent, for tree trunks too - as in Milton's 'When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones'.

Behind all these various meanings of 'stock' I think it's possible to trace the image of some kind of branching family tree going back to a common root. A financial stock, for example, can be seen as a slip taken from the root stock of a company - if you want to look at it like that. That's fairly interesting in itself, but it fascinates me that the same set of connections was made not once but twice, in English and Japanese. Coincidence? Or was there some influence? I don't know, for example, whether share trading was a thing in Japan before the Meiji era. If not, that use of 株 may have been modelled on English usage.
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[personal profile] cmcmck 2022-10-27 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
They still do a certain amount of pollarding and coppicing in the local woodland hereabouts and the term 'stock' is still used for managed stumps.

I don't know if it's just a Marches thing.
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[personal profile] calimac 2022-10-27 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Tolkien uses "stock" in that sense too: Treebeard says to Celeborn, "It is long, long since we met by stock or by stone." Tom Shippey says that's an echo of Pearl: "We meten so selden by stok other ston" and he alludes to Milton as well, who might be thinking of the same source.
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[personal profile] larryhammer 2022-10-27 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting -- in Mandarin, 株 is zhū, with a primary meaning of tree trunk, though also a stump or the roots themselves, strain as in bacteria, "to involve others (in shady business)," and a measure word for trees and plants (I've never met it used as that last -- 棵 is the usual measure for trees). No company stocks at all.
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[personal profile] ethelmay 2022-10-28 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
You have probably seen these by now, but I Googled ["joint stock company" meiji japan] and got, among other stuff,

The Origin of the Corporation in Meiji Japan
https://www.cefims.ac.uk › research › papers
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by A Tokuda — The joint stock company system in Japan was a system transplanted from the West approximately 130 years ago under the economic policy of the. Meiji ...


DOUBLE CREATIVE RESPONSE IN MEIJI JAPAN ... - JSTOR
https://www.jstor.org › stable
by S Yonekura · 2015 — the first legislated joint-stock company was Nippon Yusen KK (NYK) in 1893. Onoda Cement was the forerunner to the joint-stock company in the Meiji period.

So it looks as though you guessed right.