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It's welcome (and embarrassing for the Westminster government) that the Welsh Assembly has announced that it will hold fees for Welsh students to their current levels, subsidising them if they choose to go to a more expensive university elsewhere in the UK. For one thing, it rather gives the lie to Clegg 'n' Cable's bleating about how the country can't afford not to raise fees. I'd be all in favour of the English Assembly making a similar declaration, except - oh yes, I forgot, England isn't big enough to warrant an Assembly. Or it's too big. Or something.

One strange side effect is that while English, Scottish and Northern Irish students studying at Welsh universities will have to pay the full £6-9,000pa, EU students from outside the United Kingdom will only be charged the £3,000 or so currently being levied on Welsh students. This is because EU law forbids discrimination in fees between states - but not within states. Thus, the Welsh taxpayer will be subsidising not only Welsh students at English universities, but French and German students at Welsh universities. I wonder how that will go down in Llanelli?

When the lunacy of our constitutional arrangements intersects with the hypocrisy of our higher education funding system and the bureaucracy of the European Union, you know that rational government remains some little distance off.

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Date: 2010-12-01 09:09 am (UTC)
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It's not so much French and German students that matter; it's Chinese students on business studies courses; they give unis an awful lot of revenue (not to mention hassle, because they think plagiarism = deference to written authority and are quite hurt and annoyed when told they can't do it). I suspect Glamorgan in particular will be happy if they get more of them who would otherwise have gone to England.

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Date: 2010-12-01 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Will it make a difference to them, though? I assume that, not being in the EU, Welsh universities (like English ones) will charge them top dollar.

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Date: 2010-12-01 10:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sheenaghpugh
- sorry that was me, didn't realise i wasn't logged in

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Date: 2010-12-01 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Oh, I know that foreign students are the universities' cash cows - but I don't see how this decision of the Welsh Assembly is going to make a Chinese student more, or less, likely to pick a Welsh uni over an English one. It'll cost them the same either way.

On the other hand, it's possible that Welsh unis may now get a far larger proportion of the (admittedly smaller) pool of EU applicants, once they realise that the Welsh Assembly will be subsidising them. If I were a Spanish student coming to study in the UK I'd certainly pick Cardiff over Bristol if it was going to save me about £15,000.

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