Language usage question: "outwith"

[steepholm]

I would have done this as a poll, but only have a basic account.

1 a) Are you familiar with the word "outwith"?
b) Do you use it yourself?
c) Does its use strike you as affected when coming from a non-Scot?
d) Do you get the impression that it is increasing in usage outwith Scotland?

2 a) Are you Scottish (or have lived a considerable time there)?
b) Welsh/English/Irish?
c) From outwith the British Isles?

Comments

[communicator.livejournal.com]

I am English born and bred, and I probably would have just thought 'archaic' rather than Scottish, except that your poll has reminded me it is a Scots thing. I quite like quirky words like that, so it wouldn't seem affected, but I wouldn't say it myself.

[lamentables.livejournal.com]

I am thoroughly English, am familiar with the word, didn't know until just recently that it's Scots, consider it useful not affected, and used it in the essay I wrote at the beginning of this month because it was the best fit for what I wanted to convey.

[shewhomust.livejournal.com]

I am familiar with the word , and use it myself at the least provocation - from which you may deduce that its use strikes me as - what shall I say? - pleasing and not to be taken for granted, but not affected. I haven't noticed any increase in usage...

And I am English, but northern English.

[ashkitty.livejournal.com]

I know it, have only heard it from Scots to date (and one Colombian who lived in Scotland), and live in Wales. And wouldn't think it affected, just interesting. ;)

[dru-marland.livejournal.com]

I like the word, and would happily use it if I were Scots; but it would feel affected were I to use it as a natal Yorkshirewoman. In fact, I rather like Scottish words generally, and it's quite reassuring that they manage to remain so different.

[dorianegray.livejournal.com]

"Outwith" always sounds to me as if someone wanted to use "without" in its opposite-to-within sense, but didn't quite dare. It bugs me, mildly.

Yes, it seems to be becoming more common; I've seen it several times this year, but rarely if ever before.

Irish person here.

[kalypso-v.livejournal.com]

1 a) In a vague sort of way, in that I thought "oh yes, that word, um, it means..."
b, c, d) Not really.
2) Mostly (Northern) English, though small quantities of Scottish blood a few generations back.

3) Are you familiar with "overfaced", to which I was introduced comparatively late in life but I find very useful?

[ladyofastolat.livejournal.com]

I'm familiar with it, but can't remember if it's via my Scottish father, or as a result of a childhood spent obsessing over Walter Scott novels. I don't say it myself in public, but sometimes say it when at home.

[poliphilo.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't even know how to use it.

[sheenaghpugh]

1a. yes
b. not if I'm thinking, but it is becoming more natural to me.
c. depends. If it were, say, a lawyer speaking it wouldn't.

2a. no, but I live there now and hear the word so much it's come to seem normal.
b. half Welsh, half Irish
c. no

[sheenaghpugh]

The Scottishism that alarmed me most was "where do you stay?" for "where do you live?" because it osunds so much less permanent and more aware of mortality!

Shetlanders also say "wife" for "woman". Not sure if that is Scottish or Norse-derived.

[sovay]

1 a) Yes.
b) No.
c) Depends on context? It works great in Cloud & Ashes.
d) I have no idea.

2 a) No.
b) Not for generations and only on one side of family anyway.
c) Indeed.

Well, I use it when and as I list.

[wemyss.livejournal.com]

But then, I would do, wouldn't I.

[aryky.livejournal.com]

1a) yes
b) I actually find it hilarious you should ask, because. . . I go through stages of using weird slang with myself, and lately my weird slang for something being possible is that it's "not outwith the bounds [of possibility]. So. . . I use it privately, as kind of a joke, but I would not use it in communication with other people.
c) I don't know that I would even expect a Scot to use it! I think of it as "archaic" rather than Scottish, like communicator, only unlike communicator, I don't think I ever knew it was Scots, so I can't be reminded of it.
d) Now I'm wondering. I don't remember having encountered it in contemporary usage lately, but, otoh, there must be some impetus for my having started thinking "outwith the bounds" so much recently.

2a) No. I lived six months there. . . .
b) No.
c) yes.

[joyeuce]

1 a) Vaguely; I've heard it and understood it in context.
b) No.
c) I didn't know it was Scottish. It doesn't strike me as affected so much as just odd, like the use of "obligate" where "oblige" would do perfectly well.
d) Don't know.

2 English

[owlfish]

Yes, but I have never used it. It does sound affected to me, and I have not particularly noticed a recent increase in its use. I have never lived in Scotland.

[endlessrarities.livejournal.com]

1a) Yes; ib) Yes; 1c) No; 1d) No

2a) Yes; 2b) Yes; 2c) No.

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