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The names of school houses are a kind of time capsule, it seems to me. You can tell the priorities of the people who founded them by looking at what they chose to commemorate.

Take my my primary school. In the late 1960s, and perhaps still (although the place now looks very different), we had four school houses: Scott (after Captain Scott), Nightingale (after Florence), Nelson (after Horatio) and, er, Berthon (of whom more below).

This particular set is redolent of Britain's imperial heyday, but I'm guessing that the inclusion of Scott puts 1912 as an earliest date. Beyond national pride, there seems little specific reason to pick on him: he had no local connection that I'm aware of. No more did Nelson, really, although the Victory is at least moored in the same county. Florence Nightingale was a local based at West Wellow, four miles or so outside the town. And Berthon? Well, he was so much a local that no one outside Romsey has really heard of him, I think.

Okay - that's not quite true: Edward Lyon Berthon (1813-99) does have a Wiki page, but he's not in the same league as the rest - even if he holds the distinction of having amused Queen Victoria. He was vicar of Romsey, but had a nifty sideline in boat-building, being the inventor of a collapsible life boat. The Berthon Boatyard has long since moved to Lymington - which has the advantage, for a boatyard, of being on the coast - but I noticed as I walked through the car park behind Portersbridge St the other day that there's still a plaque on the old site. (A few yards away is another plaque marking the house where Sir William Petty was born: if I'd been choosing school house names I might have gone for him, although I admit his surname doesn't lend itself to enthusiastic chanting at sports days.)

So, I reckon the naming happened later than 1912, when Scott was martyred by the ice, but probably earlier than 1918, when Harry May bought the Berthon Boatyard and moved it to Lymington. In between sits the Great War, which we might expect to have had a gravitational pull on the choice of house names in itself ("Wot no Kitchener?"), so my best guess is that the houses got their present - or at least still-current-in-the-1960s - designation circa 1913.

(At secondary school the houses were named less interestingly, after large local houses. I was in Roke, after Roke Manor, which is now an R&D place for a multinational electronics company. When an old schoolfriend became MD there, I congratulated him on being made Archmage, but I'm not sure he got the reference. Still - Roke was the coolest of a bunch of very dull names.)

Anyway. You see what I mean about the time capsule idea? Of course, not all schools have houses at all, but that in itself tells us something - specifically that they were founded at a date when competition was anathema in educational circles.

Meanwhile, in my daughter's school (founded some six years ago), they have a complicated system worthy of Linnaeus, in which all the children are divided into Waterfowl and Songbirds. There are further subdivisions beyond that (Ducks, Geese and Waders, iirc?), but suffice it to say that my daughter has spent her school career as a Gadwell. I'm sure we can all get behind that.

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Date: 2012-01-23 09:26 am (UTC)
lamentables: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lamentables
I can remember our junior school houses with ease: ash, beech, elm, larch, oak, willow. I was (yellow) willow.

At secondary school the houses competed each year for the impressive, silver Standing Salt. I was a (red) Dragon, my best friend was a (yellow) Falcon, but I'm blowed if I can remember the other two houses.

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Date: 2012-01-23 09:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lamentables
The standing salt was something rather like this one. And allowed regular opportunities for teachers to elaborate on the concept of sitting above or below the salt.

Ah.

Date: 2012-01-23 06:22 pm (UTC)
wemyss: ch ch (true blue)
From: [personal profile] wemyss
At my school, house names had not been chosen, but had, rather, evolved, organically. Wh is itself interesting and indicative.

Not precisely.

Date: 2012-01-24 06:16 pm (UTC)
wemyss: c of e tory eccentric (cofe tory eccentric)
From: [personal profile] wemyss
At school, Collegers of course were one thing: tugs qua tugs board in College ex officio; Oppidans' houses' names were relics of old housemasters, locations, and so on, and simply grew by habit (although of course the actual house names are rarely used unofficially, being referred to by the name or initials of the current housemaster).

(At one's prepper, house names were of course imposed, although given the situation, they were more or less notional in any event. But I was, perhaps ambiguously, speaking of my school rather than my prepper, above, after lamentables' example.)

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Date: 2012-01-23 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Could be worse- she could be a ruddy duck :o)


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Date: 2012-01-23 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com
My high school began in 1941. Unsurprisingly, the houses were (and probably still are): Montgomery, Churchill, Roosevelt and one that escapes me. Australia took a different road to being colonised to most other countries, I fear (or White Australia did, anyhow).

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Date: 2012-01-23 09:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Please tell me the missing house is Stalin!

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Date: 2012-01-23 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gillpolack.livejournal.com
It wasn't Stalin. I can tell you it was if it will make you happy, but I'd be lying.

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Date: 2012-01-23 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Oh well. My mother talks fondly of the days when he was Uncle Joe, and people used to put money in the "Russia Box" to help the Red Army.

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Date: 2012-01-23 11:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
If you need a little dose of Josef Vissarionavich Djugashvili there is still a Stalingrad neighbourhood in Paris (it's where we stay when we visit) and a Stalingrad metro station. To make up for the name, it contains Place Dulcie September, named for the ANC activist assassinated by the old regime's secret police. :o)

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Date: 2012-01-23 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
That's strangely reassuring. The French way with street names is of course a whole other paire de manches.

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Date: 2012-01-23 11:57 am (UTC)
ext_6322: (Manchester)
From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
Ours were called after the principal founders, so liberal intellectuals of late nineteenth-century Manchester: [Caroline] Herford, [Louisa] Lejeune, [C. P.] Scott, [Henry and Emily] Simon.

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Date: 2012-01-23 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
The Hogwarts principle! Which was Slytherin?

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Date: 2012-01-23 12:06 pm (UTC)
ext_6322: (Manchester)
From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I ever discerned any house characteristics - I've a vague feeling Simon were strong at sports in my time, but I imagine that was chance. I think girls were assigned alphabetically (ie first/fifth/ninth etc to Herford, second/sixth/tenth to Lejeune etc, rather than whole blocks of the alphabet) though I can't swear to it.

An interesting fact is that when I attended a 120th anniversary reunion last year, with a group of four or five women from my year, we discovered that each of us could instantly identify the house of anyone from that year who came up in conversation. I'd no idea it was so deeply engrained.

(And actually, thinking it over, it wasn't. We could identify a lot of the houses, but the one thing we knew about everyone without thinking was whether they were from the X form or Y form, which makes more sense because we were distinct for five years.)
Edited Date: 2012-01-23 04:23 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-01-23 03:50 pm (UTC)
ext_12726: (Barmouth bridge)
From: [identity profile] heleninwales.livejournal.com
Ah, C.P. Scott. I was trying to recall the initials, but that would be the Scott my house at secondary school was named after. (We kept being reminded that it wasn't Captain Scott of the Antarctic). The other houses were Dalton, Cobden and Owen.

At primary school they were Red, Green, Blue and Yellow. :)

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Date: 2012-01-23 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Now I'm feeling a bit sorry for Sir Walter...

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Date: 2012-01-23 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-milvus.livejournal.com
In our comprehensive in Stoke on Trent we had: Wedgwood (unsurprising) Sutherland (the Duke had a nice little estate near our village), Bennett (i.e. Arnold), and Mitchell, the inventor of the Spitfire, who left Stoke as soon as possible and went to live in Southampton.
Edited Date: 2012-01-23 01:19 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2012-01-23 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
That's a pleasantly eclectic selection.

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Date: 2012-01-23 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veronica-milvus.livejournal.com
BTW another one of your brilliant blog post titles!

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Date: 2012-01-23 02:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Thank you! *beams*

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Date: 2012-01-23 04:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joyeuce
My prep school was fairly dull, with just School, Field and Master (after a former head). Come to that, so was my senior school, as apart from School House and New House all the (boarding) houses kept the names they'd had when they were private residences.

But in my father's time at the same school, the four houses were, I think, Corinthians, Carthusians, Trojans and Nondescripts. Poor Nondescripts!

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Date: 2012-01-23 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Corinthians, Carthusians, Trojans and Nondescripts

That's just glorious in its nonsensicality!

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Date: 2012-01-23 09:22 pm (UTC)
ext_6322: (Jarriere)
From: [identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com
There's a well-known Sri Lankan cricket club called Nondescripts, and we know about the Corinthians. So maybe those were popular names for sports clubs at the time? Can't say I've ever heard of a club called Trojans, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. I did a double-take on Carthusians, wondering why you'd call a house after another school, but of course it also refers to monks.

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Date: 2012-01-23 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
You may well be on to something there. Trojans would be an excellent name for a hardworking sports club, and in fact I'm pretty sure there's a rugby team called that. Carthusians - yes, that's a bit more puzzling, but perhaps not insoluble...

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Date: 2012-01-23 09:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer
My primary school was small enough for only one name, Hearst -- named not after William Randolph but his mother, Phoebe, who had some sort of hand in its founding in addition to all her other philanthropic works.

In the 70s, we spent a lot of time explaining that, no, it's not Patty Hearst, but her great-grandmother.

---L.

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Date: 2012-01-23 10:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
That must have made inter-house competitions interesting!

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Date: 2012-01-25 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethelmay.livejournal.com
We didn't have houses, but we had intramural sports teams called Brownells, Parsons, Venables, and Whitcombs. I was a Whitcomb, I believe.

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Date: 2012-02-04 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] endlessrarities.livejournal.com
My secondary school had famous WWII naval battles. I was in Matapan, as opposed to Taranto, Atlantic and something else I can't remember...

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