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For those who are interested, here's a thought-provoking post by Michael Berube on Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials, with sidelights on Tolkien and on Lewis's SF. The comments too are well worth reading.

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Date: 2009-04-11 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sartorias.livejournal.com
Oh thanks for that link. That was nifty to read over morning tea. (I haven't reread Hideous Strength for years just because of that ending, but now I want to read it for the stuff he highlighted, which whizzed past me at the time.)

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Date: 2009-04-11 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
I've not reread it recently either, but what he said chimed pretty much with what I do remember.

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Date: 2009-04-11 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hafren.livejournal.com
Actually the misogyny started well before the end, and also encompassed Miss Hardcastle the Evil Lesbian. It's a loathsome book.

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Date: 2009-04-11 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brisingamen.livejournal.com
Ah, pipped at the post ... I noticed that last night and thought I must link (and may do anyway) then got lost in dealing with the flood of Bittercon responses. Thank goodness one of us is organised!

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Date: 2009-04-11 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
I'm surprised you have time to read anything else atm!

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Date: 2009-04-11 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com
That was very kewl - thank you for the link. My only complaint is that under all the irony I'm not sure exactly what his position was re Pullman good or bad. Or maybe we're not supposed to be that essentialist.

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Date: 2009-04-11 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lady-schrapnell.livejournal.com
Yeah, I got somewhat lost in the cleverness and irony at points too. I wish he'd have used some slightly more intelligent Pullman critiques to critique though - there are plenty out there.

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Date: 2009-04-11 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
On the morality, reductiveness, etc, I think there was an element of wanting it both ways. He seemed to come pretty close to saying that, sure, Pullman is reductive, but then epic is reductive, and actually the Church really is pretty evil, so maybe it's not so reductive after all...

But I found what he was saying about the relationship between scale and diction, and managing them over the course of a trilogy, very interesting (and more or less unrelated to the reductiveness point, in fact).

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Date: 2009-04-11 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intertext.livejournal.com
Yeah, I liked that bit of it, too. I also really enjoyed the comments.

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