Rhodes and Lee
Aug. 18th, 2017 07:24 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Last year I spent some time on Facebook arguing with people who thought that the "Rhodes must fall" campaign was wrongheaded because it was erasing history.
I suggested that putting a statue up to someone was generally (and in this case undoubtedly) not intended as a dispassionate recording of the fact that such-and-such had occurred, but rather a celebration of that person's life and deeds. In this case, the statue of Rhodes marks the approbation of the Oxford college he had endowed with some of his very ill-gotten African spoils.
True, came the reply, but that approbation is itself a historical artefact, and to take down the statue is to erase it. Well then, why not put it in a museum, along with the other historical artefacts, and stick a label on it detailing exactly how Rhodes came by the money to endow colleges and scholarships? Why keep it in a place of honour, thus perpetuating the honour done to Rhodes?
Of course, taking down a statue can never be more than a symbolic act, any more than raising it, or indeed keeping it. Symbolism is the currency of statues. To try and pretend that they are naturally evolve into some kind of historical resource is profoundly disingenuous. (In the case of Rhodes, I don't think anyone tried to argue that the statue was a thing of beauty, but aesthetic arguments fall into much the same category.) Museums and art galleries are themselves far from politics-free zones, obviously, but at least they make some overt attempt to defuse and reframe such things as historical and/or aesthetic objects rather than direct political statements.
In the end, Rhodes stayed of course, because Rhodes's successors (the college's current donors) threatened to withdraw funding if it was removed. ("Now I see, I see, / In Fulvia's death, how mine received shall be," as they put it.) As ever, money shouts.
Anyway, I was just wondering to myself how the people I was arguing with on FB last year (nice liberal types, every one) feel about Trump making exactly the same arguments this week? Were they nodding along? If not, why not?
As a tangential postscript, I gave my friend Haruka a lift to Brighton yesterday (I was helping my daughter move some of her things back to Bristol), and we stopped in at my mother's for a cup of tea en route. Haruka took this picture of my mother. It was only after five minutes that I noticed that it also includes her care assistant, Haawa. Talk about hidden black history!

Can you spot her, readers?
I suggested that putting a statue up to someone was generally (and in this case undoubtedly) not intended as a dispassionate recording of the fact that such-and-such had occurred, but rather a celebration of that person's life and deeds. In this case, the statue of Rhodes marks the approbation of the Oxford college he had endowed with some of his very ill-gotten African spoils.
True, came the reply, but that approbation is itself a historical artefact, and to take down the statue is to erase it. Well then, why not put it in a museum, along with the other historical artefacts, and stick a label on it detailing exactly how Rhodes came by the money to endow colleges and scholarships? Why keep it in a place of honour, thus perpetuating the honour done to Rhodes?
Of course, taking down a statue can never be more than a symbolic act, any more than raising it, or indeed keeping it. Symbolism is the currency of statues. To try and pretend that they are naturally evolve into some kind of historical resource is profoundly disingenuous. (In the case of Rhodes, I don't think anyone tried to argue that the statue was a thing of beauty, but aesthetic arguments fall into much the same category.) Museums and art galleries are themselves far from politics-free zones, obviously, but at least they make some overt attempt to defuse and reframe such things as historical and/or aesthetic objects rather than direct political statements.
In the end, Rhodes stayed of course, because Rhodes's successors (the college's current donors) threatened to withdraw funding if it was removed. ("Now I see, I see, / In Fulvia's death, how mine received shall be," as they put it.) As ever, money shouts.
Anyway, I was just wondering to myself how the people I was arguing with on FB last year (nice liberal types, every one) feel about Trump making exactly the same arguments this week? Were they nodding along? If not, why not?
As a tangential postscript, I gave my friend Haruka a lift to Brighton yesterday (I was helping my daughter move some of her things back to Bristol), and we stopped in at my mother's for a cup of tea en route. Haruka took this picture of my mother. It was only after five minutes that I noticed that it also includes her care assistant, Haawa. Talk about hidden black history!

Can you spot her, readers?
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Date: 2017-08-18 07:49 am (UTC)The post Soviet world got very busy taking down statues.
I lived for years with a huge equestrian one of Field Marshal Lord Kitchener, whom I utterly loathe as a historic figure, but that statue is part of me and part of the town where he sits on 'is 'orse wiv 'is 'at on 'is 'ead, looking totally morally superior.
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Date: 2017-08-18 08:07 am (UTC)As for the money, I didn't call for that to be repatriated in my post, but in fact I don't think it would be very difficult to find ways to spend money to benefit people in the parts of Africa that Rhodes plundered, and who are living with his (other) legacy.
The clever men at Oxford
Know all there is to be knowed
But they don't know how the compensate
The victims of Cecil Rhodes.
If that's the only reason they're not doing it, I'd be happy to pass on the names of several excellent charities. (But it's not.)
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Date: 2017-08-18 10:22 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-20 09:45 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-18 08:52 am (UTC)What the US equivalent has taught me is that the iconicity of statutes is way overrated. Still, we still have those famous scholarships named for Rhodes, and is anyone planning on doing anything about that?
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Date: 2017-08-18 10:09 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-18 10:04 am (UTC)Looking at your mother's face, I can really see the family resemblance. And I would not have spotted Haawa in the picture, had you not mentioned her.
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Date: 2017-08-18 10:13 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-18 12:02 pm (UTC)Thinking about the list of namesakes for Yale colleges, it's mostly people and places few people outside the university has heard of: Timothy Dwight and Ezra Stiles were presidents of Yale, and Saybrook and Branford are towns in Connecticut. The famous end is Samuel Morse, Jonathan Edwards, and Bishop Berkeley. From a historical angle, it's not so much "these people deserve honor" or "were important to the university" as, maybe, "here are bits of the university's history." From that angle, the nonexistent plaque ought to say "on this spot, Yale University chose to honor the legacy of slavery from the 1930s until 2016." Others might say things like "this college is named in honor of a classical scholar who was president of Yale" and "a Christian preacher who was part of the Great Awakening." (If you still have no idea what I'm referring to, that's pre-Revolution American cultural/religious history.)
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Date: 2017-08-18 03:35 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-18 04:09 pm (UTC)What I remember about the founding of Yale is that it was started (I think in Saybrook, Conn.) as the Collegiate School, then named for Elihu Yale after he gave them a small library's worth of books. (There may have been a cash donation as well.)
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Date: 2017-08-20 03:36 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-18 03:48 pm (UTC)The inscription on his tomb in Wrexham is interestingly equivocal:
Born in America, in Europe bred
In Africa travell'd and in Asia wed
Where long he liv'd and thriv'd; In London dead
Much good, some ill, he did; so hope all's even
And that his soul thro' mercy's gone to Heaven
(no subject)
Date: 2017-08-18 07:24 pm (UTC)(that was rhetorical. we know why. it's all active white supremacy happening here.)
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Date: 2017-08-19 11:18 am (UTC)http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/16/us/robert-e-lees-grandson-comments-on-statue-removal/index.html
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Date: 2017-08-19 12:50 pm (UTC)Just shows the divisive nature or civil war I guess.
We had ours two hundred years earlier and it still divides opinion.
When they put up the statue to Cromwell outside parliament all hell broke loose and it created some very strange bedfellows indeed!
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Date: 2017-08-19 01:21 pm (UTC)He certainly seems to have been less egregiously awful than Davies or the repellent Stephens, but there is good evidence that the idea that he was a particularly considerate slave-owner is a myth (though it does seem to have been true of Jackson, who does seem to have been sincerely concerned about the welfare of his slaves and of the free blacks in Lexington, even if his views on the permissibility of slavery are regrettable, and this might play into the attitudes of some of his descendants).
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Date: 2017-08-18 09:26 pm (UTC)In news that pleases me, a plaque in Arizona commemorating Confederate President Jefferson Davis was literally tarred and feathered the other day. Now that's public art!
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