Framed?

May. 29th, 2020 11:06 am
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Today I happened to learn the Japanese word for frame story (it’s 枠物語), and it got me thinking about what counts as a frame story in the first place.

My first attempt at a definition was this: a story containing one or more internal narratives. The internal narrative(s) may involve multiple narrators, as in The Decameron, or just one, as in Heart of Darkness.

Thinking about it, though, I realised that there are plenty of stories involving internal narratives where I wouldn’t be happy to call the context in which those narratives appear a frame story. For example: in Oedipus Rex a messenger narrates Oedipus’s self-blinding. It would be strange to refer to the rest of the play as a frame story for that narrative. Is it just because that narrative comprises such a small portion of the play? On the other hand, in the Odyssey Odysseus’s account to the Phaeacians of his travels takes up a substantial portion of the poem (books 7-12), but I still wouldn’t want to call the rest of the Odyssey a frame story for that narrative. If there is a minimum proportion that must be taken up by the internal narrative(s) for the remainder to be considered a frame story, then what is that proportion?

Or is it also to do the with the relationship of the internal narrative to the outer narrative – i.e. it must have a certain independence from it? The Wife of Bath’s tale doesn’t have much to do with making a pilgrimage to Canterbury, for example, but the account of Oedipus’s blinding is intimately related to what happens in the rest of the play - which must surely be an additional factor in helping to disqualify their relationship as one of story to frame?

Does the identity of the internal narrator have a bearing on all this? In The Canterbury Tales the tales are told by characters, but in, say, Louis Sachar’s Holes, the lengthy backstories of the various characters are (iirc) all told by the third-person narrator. Does that continuity of voice make the rest of the book less framelike?

Finally, does it matter whether we return to the frame story at the end of the internal narrative (as in Conrad), or neglect to, as in The Turn of the Screw? If you are still inclined to say that James’s story has a frame, does it matter that the frame is “missing” a piece? If it doesn’t, what about an example such as Ovid’s Metamorphoses, which is just a chain of stories linked together, sometimes segueing in apparently “framey” ways, but in which there is little nesting, and few or no pushes gets popped (to use the language of computer stacks). You might then think of the Metamorphoses as one big frame story, and/or one big internal narrative at the same time – a kind of narrative Möbius strip where the inside and outside are the same.

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Date: 2020-05-29 01:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
The relationship, in size and emphasis, between the two narratives definitely has something to do with defining a frame story. It's possible, even common, to have a smaller inset internal narrative without making the bulk of the rest of the story a frame story.

What's the proportion? That'd have to be determined by looking at cases and seeing how they feel, not by a priori definition. I would put the Canterbury Tales just on the other side of the boundary. I see it as a bunch of inset narratives inside a main story, whereas the Decameron is a collection surrounded by a frame story.

The nature of the frame may have something to do with it, also. The more the characters are gathered around to listen to stories, the more frame-story the surround is. What sets Canterbury apart from Decameron in that respect is that the stories are incidental to the pilgrimage.

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Date: 2020-05-29 11:24 pm (UTC)
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I would call something a frame-story when it is pretty much inert in narrative terms: there either to explain why a group of people are having a storytelling session, as in the Canterbury Tales or the Decameron, or to imply a first-person narrator's reliability/unreliability, as in the drawing-room ghost story of which 'The Turn of the Screw' is the apotheosis.

I don't think returning to the frame story at the end is generically significant i.e. it doesn't determine whether the narrative is or is not one with a frame story: the return to the Thames at the end of Heart of Darkness is vital to the point being made about the crimes of Empire both poisoning the culture of the imperialist nation even as it permits a sort of infinite displacement/deferral of facing the monstrousness of it, whereas returning to the frame in 'The Turn of the Screw' could only be an anti-climax, but they're both framed narratives.

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Date: 2020-05-30 11:41 am (UTC)
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Another typical frame story is the 'I met this stranger on a train' or 'I found these papers in an attic' which has always felt like a bow to convention - if you're trying to tell a realistic story but the story you want to tell is fantastic, the author borrows authority of 'this really happened'. And in that case, closing the fame story seems almost counterproductive.

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