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Well, no one's been asking my opinion of the latest Roald Dahl controversy, so here it is. Or rather, here they are, for I have several.

First, context. Here's a link to the original Telegraph article, which lists all the emendations. Let's just acknowledge that the whole issue has been very consciously taken up by the Tory press as a culture-war issue because they have nothing but culture wars on which to fight the next election. Their own deputy chairman has said as much. So, expect a lot more of this sort of stuff, wherever they can find it. Even Rishi Sunak has weighed in. Clearly, Dahl is the new J. K. Rowling in terms of right-wing white-knighting.

As for me, although I've edited an academic collection on Dahl, and almost the first thing that happened to me on arriving at Cardiff University was being involved in a conference to mark his centenary - Cardiff being his birthplace - I've never been a particular fan, either now or in childhood. As a stylist he seems uninteresting, and his humour just wasn't to my taste, though clearly it appealed to many others. (I'm not even a huge fan of Quentin Blake's illustrations. He's one of those figures, like Anthony Browne and Charles Keeping, who seem universally beloved - and indeed they may all be lovely people - who somehow don't do it for me. But I am not a very visual person. My loss.) Unfortunately, what I do like about Dahl is intimately connected to his less pleasant qualities - such as the comment on Mrs Winter, the teacher in The Magic Finger who is made to grow a tail by the protagonist-narrator: "if any of you are wondering whether Mrs Winter is quite all right again now, the answer is No. And she never will be." I've got to admit that I did laugh at that.

So anyway, I have a number of hats.

Hat the First. As a children's literature teacher, silent emendations are bothersome. From now on, for example, if I want to teach Matilda, I'll have to check whether my students are reading the 2023 edition (in which she reads Jane Austen) or one of the earlier ones (in which she reads Kipling). I'm aware this is a niche problem for a niche demographic, however.

Hat the Second. As someone with an academic interest in reception history, the emendations and the row they've engendered are quite interesting. I'll certainly be using the article I've linked above in classes.

Hat the Third. As a parent and general reader, I'm well aware that this kind of 'updating' goes on, and has for decades if not centuries. Looking down the list of emendations, I see some that have an obvious point and others that seem silly or senseless. But I'm aware that this is a reflection of my own sensitivities and blind spots. If I'm more sensitised to racism than sexism or fatphobia, for example, then this will affect my view of what seems like overkill or conversely complicit. Bearing that in mind, I'd find it hard to divide those emendations into sheep and goats, as it were - but an absolutist stance seems no more satisfactory.

Hat the Fourth. As a children's writer and someone with many friends in that field, I can't shake the suspicion that children's books get this kind of treatment more than books for adults, and while there may be good reasons for this (adults are generally better equipped to take an author's prejudices and cultural/historical situation into account) there are also bad ones that rub a raw spot (children's books are insignificant as literature and can be mucked about with sans cultural loss). Of course, adult books are sometimes amended in this way too - it's currently possible to buy Joseph Conrad's The Nice Guy of the Narcissus on Amazon, for example - but it's undoubtedly rarer.

The online dislikers of Dahl seem to have settled on two rather contradictory positions. One group thinks that the books should be amended, and that this fuss is just an opportunistic culture-war issue (in which latter contention they're certainly right). The other, that they should, as it were, have a Do Not Resuscitate order placed on them and be allowed to slide out of print, to replaced by better, more recent books. I have sympathy with both positions, but both make me uneasy, perhaps because both assume the integral relation of books to a capitalist/market model. On the one hand, the publishers amend books (and the Estate allows it) so that they can continue to make money out of a very lucrative author. On the other, reading - viewed as a zero-sum game - allows for only a certain number of books to be 'in play' at one time (those Waterstone's tables only have so much space!), and Dahl's are seen as hogging shelf-space at the expense of younger pretenders.

So, what's my opinion? Having taken all these factors into account and done the sums, I think the end result is that I don't feel strongly either way. But at least my indifference is sophisticated.

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Date: 2023-02-21 10:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoodcp.wordpress.com
May I join you in camp not feeling strongly either way. And at least now, having read your article, I feel like I can give a more sophisticated answer as to why not.

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Date: 2023-02-21 12:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joyeuce
I am not a huge fan of Quentin Blake's illustrations for Dahl's books, though I like some of his own picture books. I grew up with other people's illustrations for all the books before The Twits, and on the whole I prefer those. But I am not a huge fan of Dahl anyway, and never was even as a child. I remember my prep school English teacher once telling us that Dahl had said he knew how to make children laugh by using words like "toilet", and that's not my humour!

I love Charles Keeping's work though!

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Date: 2023-02-21 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] heleninwales
I'm too old to have read Dahl as a child. My daughter went through a phase of enjoying them, but I always felt there was an underlying feeling of nastiness to the stories, so I didn't read them myself. Daughter went on to become a horror fan for a while, which is definitely NOT to my taste. However, she seems to have grown up without being mentally harmed. Like you, I'm not a fan of Quentin Blake's illustrations, though as I don't like the books, I think they do fit. However, I do like Charles Keeping's work, especially that classic cover for "Elidor".

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Date: 2023-02-21 12:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cmcmck
Well, the likes of you and me have become a culture wars issue, so this doesn't surprise me in the least.

As you say, it's all they have.............

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Date: 2023-02-21 02:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] larryhammer
I'm not a great fan of Dahl, though I do admire his blithe audacity in using an escaped zoo rhino to remove the parents in James and the Giant Peach. His overall air of meanness puts me off. Janni can't stand him for his antisemitism.

So, yeah, no strong feelings about this myself, aside from despising culture-warriors.

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Date: 2023-02-21 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] redbird
While I have no strong feelings about Dahl or what if anything to do about/with his books, I like I don't feel strongly either way. But at least my indifference is sophisticated.

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Date: 2023-02-21 06:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] calimac
Nor is this the first time Dahl has been amended. I have the first version of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, which has a very different origin story for the Oompa-Loompas than subsequent versions.

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Date: 2023-02-21 06:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Having taken all these factors into account and done the sums, I think the end result is that I don't feel strongly either way. But at least my indifference is sophisticated.

Haha. Mine is similar but less sophisticated.

Since I'm currently reading my way through the entire very large catalogue of both Biggles and Agatha Christie, I would however like someone to do some very judicious editing on both of them, not to remove pervasive -isms as that would require large rewrites in some cases, but just to remove isolated instances of horrific slurs that have no bearing on the plot of the books. I'm thinking of things like the otherwise unobjectionable Agatha Christie book in which someone says their favorite pudding is "Horrific Racial Slur Cake."

I'm already aware of the historic issues and I would just like to enjoy a nice mystery without getting the equivalent of a random anvil dropped on my head on page 241.

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Date: 2023-02-21 07:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sovay
I'm already aware of the historic issues and I would just like to enjoy a nice mystery without getting the equivalent of a random anvil dropped on my head on page 241.

I like to know that things have been changed. As a child, thanks to different libraries, I had access to multiple versions of Mary Poppins and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and since I don't recall any of the revised editions including a note, it was extremely weird to me to pick up a book I knew and have something completely different randomly in the middle of the text. (I'm not confident, but I feel like I got the less racist version of Dahl first, but the less racist version of Travers second.)

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Yes, I would also like that.

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
I am sure you already know the history of the title And Then There Were None, which IIRC had to be revised twice.

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:21 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Psholtii: in a bad mood)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I am sure you already know the history of the title And Then There Were None, which IIRC had to be revised twice.

Then there's Tey's The Man in the Queue, which in later editions either replaced an ethnic slur throughout with antisemitism, or antisemitism throughout with a slur for another ethnic group, and without looking it up I can't actually remember which one.

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Then there's Tey's The Man in the Queue, which in later editions either replaced an ethnic slur throughout with antisemitism, or antisemitism throughout with a slur for another ethnic group,

Talk about unclear on the concept!

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Date: 2023-02-21 09:19 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Morell: quizzical)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Talk about unclear on the concept!

I don't re-read that one a lot.

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:51 pm (UTC)
rachelmanija: (Default)
From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Yes I do. That is exactly the sort of thing I'm thinking about.

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
I am in the process of putting together etexts of my mother's books, several of which are set in the 1930s, and while there isn't anything that bad, there's stuff like a girl saying she wants to be a missionary and teach "natives," and there's a peculiar joke about the Ku Klux Klan (kids in ghost costumes gather for Halloween and one of their fathers says sardonically, "Welcome to the Ku Klux Klan," which I am guessing is a joke my grandfather actually made). I remember having to ask my mother what the Klan was, and she said she regretted putting that in due to young readers not having context. I am definitely putting in an introduction, but am not sure whether to resort to footnoting stuff like this, or what.

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Date: 2023-02-21 07:35 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I think the end result is that I don't feel strongly either way. But at least my indifference is sophisticated.

Thank you for doing all of your thinking on this page, though.

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Date: 2023-02-21 08:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ethelmay
I am one of the ones saying not to prop Dahl up any further, but I think I would say just the same if I liked him more. I am quite fond of Dr. Seuss and I certainly said that it was fine to let some of his work go out of print. I see it as the natural consequence of their work being older and older. And if he's still genuinely popular enough to be worth reprinting, fine, just don't take any special trouble over him.

In library school our children's literature professor taught that there was a terrific tendency to recommend older books over newer ones, and it was our job to resist that and keep up with new stuff (not to the exclusion of the old, but to think about our automatic biases and take them into account). And I think she was quite right.

It is of course also true that shelf space for physical books is limited, advertising budgets are limited, and so on, and newer authors tend to get the short end of the stick. But the primary limitation is the inflexibility of older people prescribing for younger ones.

The thing is, I have actually always sought out older books myself (I don't mean exclusively), but I am pretty far from an average reader, and also, to me the oldness was part of the point. I didn't want rewritten versions of things. When I was given rewritten classics for my kids, I threw them out (and to this day I think they have done without Tom Sawyer and Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, which is fine with me).

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