In my last post I wondered tangentially why David Prowse's Bristol accent should disqualify him from speaking the part of Darth Vader. It's not as if American accents are more likely than West Country ones in that part of the universe, after all.
Well, the answer is of course convention. West Country is comic in the same way that English RP is the speech of suave villains, and these things become self-perpetuating. (When did that villain thing start, though? Basil Rathbone, perhaps? Or does it go back to colonial times? I assume the practice of using English actors to play Nazis in war films did a lot to entrench it.) Nor is it just a matter of accents. When did you last hear a woman do the voice-over for a film trailer? If the answer is anything other than 'Never', we've been going to different cinemas.
Okay - but the West Country thing is far older than Hollywood. In one sense, it's just a particularly virulent strain of the age-old contempt for people from the country on the part of city dwellers. The countryside is the place where naifs and bumpkins come from, to be taken advantage of by canny city crooks, from Wycherley back to Middleton and Jonson. The very word "clown" originally meant "rustic", of course - although the connotations of stupidity and crassness were there from the first (the word seems to be etymologically related to 'clot', as in a lump of clay).
But why that particular part of the country? Why the West? For Wycherley and others in the Restoration, Hampshire seems to have been the bumpkin territory of choice. Hants is I suppose on the borders of the West country (at least the part I come from, the New Foresty bit), but at the north-east end is pretty much in the commuter belt. Its relative proximity to London may have been an advantage from the dramatists' point of view, as might its reputation for pig-breeding. ("Hampshire born and Hampshire bred, strong in the arm and thick in the head," is a rhyme I heard when young, but have since seen applied to other counties.)
The earliest text I can think of that seems to target the West particularly - or seemed to when I read it as an undergraduate - is Gammer Gurtons Needle, where the hapless rustics say things like "cham" (short for "Ich am") instead of "I am". I parsed that as West Country at the time, and indeed on checking the OED just now I see that that form survived longest in south Somerset (into the early nineteenth century), but that's not to say it wasn't to be found elsewhere when GGN was written in the 1570s.
Francis Drake and Walter Ralegh, strongly accented Devonians both, seem to have done nothing to dispels the "West Country"=bumpkin association. But seafarers in general, and pirates in particular, are a curious exception to the rule - there, West Country accents are fierce and threatening! Why should this be? (Isn't Darth Vader just a space pirate, when all's said and done? Or at any rate, a space privateer like Drake, since he's under orders from the Emperor.)
According to his Wiki page, Prowse was nicknamed "Darth Farmer" by Carrie Fisher and the others on the Star Wars set - but in fact he's not from the country at all. At half a million, Bristol has a population more than ten times the size of Fisher's own hometown of Beverley Hills, which is of course famous mainly as the residence of a comedy bumpkin named Jed Clampett. Oh, the irony.
Well, the answer is of course convention. West Country is comic in the same way that English RP is the speech of suave villains, and these things become self-perpetuating. (When did that villain thing start, though? Basil Rathbone, perhaps? Or does it go back to colonial times? I assume the practice of using English actors to play Nazis in war films did a lot to entrench it.) Nor is it just a matter of accents. When did you last hear a woman do the voice-over for a film trailer? If the answer is anything other than 'Never', we've been going to different cinemas.
Okay - but the West Country thing is far older than Hollywood. In one sense, it's just a particularly virulent strain of the age-old contempt for people from the country on the part of city dwellers. The countryside is the place where naifs and bumpkins come from, to be taken advantage of by canny city crooks, from Wycherley back to Middleton and Jonson. The very word "clown" originally meant "rustic", of course - although the connotations of stupidity and crassness were there from the first (the word seems to be etymologically related to 'clot', as in a lump of clay).
But why that particular part of the country? Why the West? For Wycherley and others in the Restoration, Hampshire seems to have been the bumpkin territory of choice. Hants is I suppose on the borders of the West country (at least the part I come from, the New Foresty bit), but at the north-east end is pretty much in the commuter belt. Its relative proximity to London may have been an advantage from the dramatists' point of view, as might its reputation for pig-breeding. ("Hampshire born and Hampshire bred, strong in the arm and thick in the head," is a rhyme I heard when young, but have since seen applied to other counties.)
The earliest text I can think of that seems to target the West particularly - or seemed to when I read it as an undergraduate - is Gammer Gurtons Needle, where the hapless rustics say things like "cham" (short for "Ich am") instead of "I am". I parsed that as West Country at the time, and indeed on checking the OED just now I see that that form survived longest in south Somerset (into the early nineteenth century), but that's not to say it wasn't to be found elsewhere when GGN was written in the 1570s.
Francis Drake and Walter Ralegh, strongly accented Devonians both, seem to have done nothing to dispels the "West Country"=bumpkin association. But seafarers in general, and pirates in particular, are a curious exception to the rule - there, West Country accents are fierce and threatening! Why should this be? (Isn't Darth Vader just a space pirate, when all's said and done? Or at any rate, a space privateer like Drake, since he's under orders from the Emperor.)
According to his Wiki page, Prowse was nicknamed "Darth Farmer" by Carrie Fisher and the others on the Star Wars set - but in fact he's not from the country at all. At half a million, Bristol has a population more than ten times the size of Fisher's own hometown of Beverley Hills, which is of course famous mainly as the residence of a comedy bumpkin named Jed Clampett. Oh, the irony.
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Date: 2012-03-30 09:28 am (UTC)There was an experiment a few years ago, which I wish I could find the details of, in which the same lecture was given to groups of students by the same lecturer, but sometimes in RP and sometimes in Brum, and when the students were asked to rate both the lecture and the lecturer, he had somehow lost much of his intelligence by adopting a Brummie accent.
Rants against Londoncentricity are a regular feature of this blog, but one example I heard the other day amused me. When the new high-speed rail link between London and Birmingham was announced, one Cockney wag was heard to ask, "Why would anyone want to go to Birmingham?" So myopic had his bigotry rendered him that he had apparently forgotten that trains tend to run in both directions...
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Date: 2012-03-30 10:20 am (UTC)Oddly enough, I have no memory of hearing anyone speaking with that accent on recent trips to Bristol. Is it just that I tend to be visiting incomers, or is it a sign of local accents declining?
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Date: 2012-03-30 11:03 am (UTC)Please do make it a long series of posts!
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Date: 2012-03-30 05:03 pm (UTC)I believe this to be the case also. (And I hope it's true, because I've gone around telling other people.)
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Date: 2012-03-30 11:36 am (UTC)Item: To Chaucer, the North was where comic regional accents came from. See The Reeve's Tale. Tolkien wrote an article about this.
Semi-irrelevant creeb: I've met people, even people from England, who think that the term "the West Country" means the west Midlands.
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Date: 2012-03-30 12:31 pm (UTC)(I did know that about Jed, honest.)
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Date: 2012-03-30 11:59 am (UTC)From memory, their retort is something like: 'How now, Mak, take out that southern tooth and set in a turd'
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Date: 2012-03-30 01:02 pm (UTC)He's the blonde.
That be 'Darth Varmer', me lover.
Date: 2012-03-30 02:53 pm (UTC)Or of course we can simply blame Adge and the Wurzels.
I prefer Barnes to Hardy...
Date: 2012-03-30 03:26 pm (UTC)Folks say nowadays we've got to change our ways,
The papers say so, so I s'pose 'tis true,
We've got to take the chance, with Germany and France,
And live like all they foreign people do.
Now, I wonder if they'll build the Eiffel Tower on 'arptree 'ill,
Put gondolas down on the River Chew,
Shall us all drive on the right, and drink up all the night -
When the Common Market comes to Stanton Drew?
Adge Cutler - poet and prophet!
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Date: 2012-03-30 05:22 pm (UTC)I have been told that Irvin Kershner made a conscious decision to cast the Imperials in The Empire Strikes Back with British accents and the Rebels American, which I suppose means that dubbing in James Earl Jones signals Vader's eventual loyalties from the start (or would if it were a consistent system; I don't believe it was in place by A New Hope and I don't know if it was kept up for Return of the Jedi. I haven't seen any of the films since the winter of 2006, when I dug out my old unaltered tapes and could still play them). I don't know his reasons aside from Hollywood convention and the obvious link of empire; anyone who's actually seen an interview on the topic should let me know!
The countryside is the place where naifs and bumpkins come from, to be taken advantage of by canny city crooks, from Wycherley back to Middleton and Jonson.
Here; have a turning-the-tables song. Bellowhead, "(The Rigs of) London Town."
(Isn't Darth Vader just a space pirate, when all's said and done? Or at any rate, a space privateer like Drake, since he's under orders from the Emperor.)
I am putting in a formal request that you write something next with space privateers, thank you.
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Date: 2012-03-30 07:16 pm (UTC)What - so Darth turns out to be one of the goodies in the end? Like Snape? If so, blowing up an inhabited planet is deeeeep cover - like, hardcore. (I'm afraid I haven't actually seen Return of the Jedi.)
Thanks for the Bellowhead - a very fine body of musicians!
I'd love to do something on space privateers, but between Firefly and Blake's Seven I think that shuttle may have launched.
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