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In a recent post I asked about attitudes to first-cousin divorce marriage, and said that my impression was that it seemed to be more of a taboo with young British people today than it had been for my own generation.

I considered asking my students what they thought, but refrained for a while, as it seemed a slightly disconcerting thing to bring up out of the blue. However, today I was handed the perfect opportunity, when a student remarked that there was no hint of an incipient romantic relationship between Mary and Colin in The Secret Garden, adding, "But of course they're cousins anyway."

I leapt in then, you may be sure, and asked for a show of hands. Did they consider first-cousin marriage (medical issues aside) to be taboo? I can report that every hand shot up: 18 out of 18. The group were 20 and 21 year-olds mostly, predominantly from southern England and Wales. All were white.

As a postscript to the postscript, I can add for interest that when Hallmark made a film version of the book in 1987, they framed it with a story in which the adult Mary (now a WWI nurse) returns to Misselthwaite and meets the adult Colin, played by a pre-Darcy Colin Firth. Romance is certainly in the air in that film, but Hallmark changed the back-story to make Mary no blood relation of the Cravens at all. So that was all right...

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Date: 2012-10-23 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkhos.livejournal.com
Can you find the Freudian slip in your post? Its a big one.

Do you consider that widespread knowledge of the scientific issues involved have changed the intensity of the taboo? For example, when Darwin married his first cousin, he had no qualms at all, but, through his researches, eventually came to realize that recessive genes (as we would call them today) were responsible for the early death of his daughter and bitterly regretted it. Isn't that a miniature of the historical process on this issue?

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Date: 2012-10-23 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Oops! Don't know what was going on there...

I don't know what's caused it. Yours is a rational explanation, but I think it's just as likely that it's an attitude that's been imported from the States, where the taboo seems to be of longer standing.

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Date: 2012-10-23 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ethelmay.livejournal.com
What recessive genes? I thought Anne Darwin died of the after-effects of scarlet fever, like many another Victorian child.

According to Gwen Darwin Raverat's portrayal of her family in Period Piece, the Darwins tended to worry a great deal about their health anyway; consanguineous marriage may have provided yet another thing for them to obsess about, but I don't think Raverat mentions that.

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Date: 2012-10-23 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Darwin was a notorious valetudinarian. I don't know how far his fears took a genetic form, but it can't have helped that another of his cousins was Francis Galton. (And, to close the circle even more incestuously, Galton's wife was my own first cousin - four times removed, admittedly.)

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Date: 2012-10-23 07:19 pm (UTC)
sovay: (PJ Harvey: crow)
From: [personal profile] sovay
but Hallmark changed the back-story to make Mary no blood relation of the Cravens at all. So that was all right...

Interesting. I can't decide if that annoys me more than the musical version where the genetics have been swapped around so that Mary, not Colin, can remind Archibald Craven of his dead wife.

(I saw the 1987 Hallmark version when it aired; it took me years to track down what it had been. I think it was my first onscreen exposure to Derek Jacobi, as opposed to hearing him in The Secret of NIMH (1982). I didn't realize either until college.)

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Date: 2012-10-23 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
I can't decide if that annoys me more than the musical version where the genetics have been swapped around so that Mary, not Colin, can remind Archibald Craven of his dead wife.

Agnieszka Holland’s 1993 version did the same thing, making Mary's mother the twin of Colin's mother, whereas in the book Colin's mother is the sister of Mary's father. Making them twins allows the good dead mother and the bad dead mother to be compared more directly, I guess.

Merits of Genetics.

Date: 2012-10-23 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essex51.livejournal.com
Overheard in France "Cousins are great, whom else can you lose your virginity to?"

Re: Merits of Genetics.

Date: 2012-10-23 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
What's French for "Keeping it in the family"?

Re: Merits of Genetics.

Date: 2012-10-23 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] essex51.livejournal.com
Same as in English? Incest.

Re: Merits of Genetics.

Date: 2012-10-23 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
Isn't that relatively boring?

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Date: 2012-10-23 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calimac.livejournal.com
Meanwhile, in the latest "Dear Prudence" agony-aunt column on slate.com, a woman writes in of her horrified discovery that she and her fiance are second cousins. (i.e. their mothers are first cousins) Neither had had any previous idea of the relationship. She's totally squicked over the idea of marrying such a close relative, but Prudence said not to worry about anything further off than first-cousinhood.

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Date: 2012-10-23 07:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sheenaghpugh
How tiresome of Hallmark.

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Date: 2012-10-24 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/la_marquise_de_/
No, no, she marries Dickon and becomes a socialist suffragette.

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Date: 2012-10-24 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
I wish! In the Hallmark version, Dickon's body lies mangled somewhere in the Somme, and with it the idealism of a generation. (I kid you not.)
Edited Date: 2012-10-24 07:20 pm (UTC)

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