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I'm puzzled. There was an interview with John Swinney (SNP) on the Today programme this morning, much of which focused on whether the SNP would "hold the Labour party to ransom" over Trident in the event of its being in some kind of arrangement with a minority Labour government after the election. I gather that several of the papers are also talking in these terms.

Personally I wish Labour would drop Trident, but it seems to me that any future Labour government that wished to keep it could ask for support from the Tory opposition for that purpose, making SNP support on the issue unnecessary. Obviously the Tories could sit on their hands, but even if they abstained that would very likely be enough for Labour to get its bill to renew Trident through. Or would the Tories want to be seen walking through the lobbies to vote against the UK's nuclear deterrent, merely for reasons of party advantage? I don't think that would play very well in any subsequent election.

In other words, I don't see what the fuss is about. Have I missed something?

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Date: 2015-04-20 07:46 am (UTC)
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What I find fascinating is that the Conservatives delayed it in this parliament rather than working with Labour to pass it.

I wonder if actually they want to sound tough, without actually wanting to pass it...

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Date: 2015-04-20 08:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
You may be on to something there. They've also been cutting the conventional armed forces (i.e. the only militarily useful bit) with a severity that, had a Labour government done it, would have had some of the Tory press calling for a coup d'etat.

All Labour really needs to do to lay this is to ask whether the Tories would refuse to vote for Trident's renewal in the event of a Labour minority government.

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Date: 2015-04-20 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cmcmck.livejournal.com
I'd be glad to see it gone, but then, I am a pacifist.

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Date: 2015-04-20 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] steepholm.livejournal.com
Indeed. But I don't think one even needs to be a pacifist to think there are better ways to spend the money - even within the defence budget. Trident is about willy-waving, having a permanent seat at the UN, etc.

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Date: 2015-04-20 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimac.livejournal.com
I've read a lot of historical accounts of dealing with exactly this question going back to the 1950s. As we say among my people, oy.

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